1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,966 This series presents information based in part on theory and conjecture. 2 00:00:16,966 --> 00:00:21,490 The producer's purpose is to suggest some possible explanations, but not necessarily 3 00:00:21,490 --> 00:00:28,496 the only ones to the mysteries we will examine. 4 00:00:28,496 --> 00:00:37,583 A sudden draft from a window that was supposed to have been closed, a chill at the back of 5 00:00:37,583 --> 00:00:45,189 the neck, groans, creaks, and bumps in the night. 6 00:00:45,189 --> 00:00:50,874 Man has always been frightened by the dark, troubled by noises just beyond the reach of 7 00:00:50,874 --> 00:00:57,439 lights, occurrences just beyond the reach of understanding. 8 00:00:57,439 --> 00:01:04,445 A very dark, hooded, evil presence came from the hall. 9 00:01:04,445 --> 00:01:06,086 I didn't even have to see her distinctly. 10 00:01:06,086 --> 00:01:11,130 I just knew this is trouble, you know, and I'm going to do something about it. 11 00:01:11,130 --> 00:01:14,453 A ghostly apparition in the dark of night. 12 00:01:14,453 --> 00:01:15,454 What was it? 13 00:01:15,454 --> 00:01:17,135 And why did it come? 14 00:01:21,739 --> 00:01:30,066 There are stories of ghosts and of hauntings to suit every taste, from the playful to the 15 00:01:30,066 --> 00:01:31,507 macabre. 16 00:01:31,507 --> 00:01:35,751 But those who have studied ghosts claim to have discerned patterns in their behavior, 17 00:01:35,751 --> 00:01:39,113 what might be set down as rules of the haunt. 18 00:01:39,113 --> 00:01:42,916 For example, a ghost might be thought of as the spirit of someone who died in emotional 19 00:01:42,916 --> 00:01:43,917 turmoil. 20 00:01:43,917 --> 00:01:48,961 Further, it seems the spirit remains close to the place associated with the turmoil. 21 00:01:49,362 --> 00:01:54,366 Finally, it appears that the ghost wanders in its restless limbo until relieved of whatever 22 00:01:54,366 --> 00:01:56,768 its burden is. 23 00:01:56,768 --> 00:02:01,772 The best way to learn more about ghosts is to consult a ghost hunter. 24 00:02:04,774 --> 00:02:10,579 Hans Holzer understands the rules of ghostly behavior perhaps better than anyone else. 25 00:02:10,579 --> 00:02:14,182 It is his business to investigate hauntings. 26 00:02:14,182 --> 00:02:20,988 Holzer is a doctor of parapsychology and has written dozens of books on ghosts. 27 00:02:20,988 --> 00:02:25,791 Over the years, I've developed some pretty foolproof methods to explore the phenomena 28 00:02:25,791 --> 00:02:26,792 scientifically. 29 00:02:26,792 --> 00:02:34,078 I've used highly sensitive cameras and even more sensitive people, psychics, to get information 30 00:02:34,078 --> 00:02:37,801 which will lead to the discovery of a ghost. 31 00:02:37,801 --> 00:02:42,805 But in all my years of ghost hunting, I have never been afraid. 32 00:02:42,805 --> 00:02:47,009 After all, a ghost is only a fellow human being in trouble. 33 00:02:47,009 --> 00:02:51,813 Holzer may not be frightened by ghosts, but most of the people who call on him for help 34 00:02:51,813 --> 00:02:54,815 are. 35 00:02:54,815 --> 00:03:00,120 Perhaps this is because it is all so strange, because people instinctively fear what they 36 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,622 do not understand. 37 00:03:03,622 --> 00:03:08,066 Ghosts are the surviving emotional memories of people who've died tragically and cannot 38 00:03:08,066 --> 00:03:10,508 leave the spot of their passing. 39 00:03:10,508 --> 00:03:15,912 They keep reliving the final moments over and over again, like a phonograph needle stuck 40 00:03:15,912 --> 00:03:17,794 in the final brew. 41 00:03:17,794 --> 00:03:25,120 You see, ghosts are not aware that they're dead. 42 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,644 Ichabod Crane and the headless horseman came to life in the home and the work of Washington 43 00:03:29,644 --> 00:03:34,007 Irving. 44 00:03:34,007 --> 00:03:41,974 Some who care for the author's retreat think Irving may still be around himself. 45 00:03:41,974 --> 00:03:45,136 Holzer was asked to find out. 46 00:03:45,136 --> 00:03:49,980 It looked a part of a haunted house, all right, but the more I looked for hard evidence of 47 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:54,184 a ghost, the more doubtful I became. 48 00:03:54,184 --> 00:03:57,707 Holzer had to pin down what had actually occurred in the old house. 49 00:03:57,707 --> 00:04:01,309 Well, I thought it was rather unusual one day. 50 00:04:01,309 --> 00:04:07,835 Our former librarian was reading Irving's will in the basement, and all the interpreters 51 00:04:07,835 --> 00:04:12,759 were down there, and we suddenly heard a crash upstairs. 52 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:13,760 We ran up. 53 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,283 It sounded like someone had fallen down the steps, and when we got upstairs, there was 54 00:04:18,283 --> 00:04:24,528 an iron sitting in the middle of the laundry, falling from the table. 55 00:04:24,528 --> 00:04:29,172 Ghosts have been known to do such things, but Holzer feels there must be a suitable 56 00:04:29,172 --> 00:04:31,874 motive. 57 00:04:31,874 --> 00:04:39,020 He talked to Joseph Butler, curator of the Irving Museum and Library. 58 00:04:39,020 --> 00:04:44,465 During your years here, have you ever heard of any legends, a legend that ghosts or uncanny 59 00:04:44,465 --> 00:04:46,106 happenings are bound here? 60 00:04:46,106 --> 00:04:51,831 Well, of course Irving himself said that when he died, he was sure that he would return 61 00:04:51,831 --> 00:05:04,041 to haunt sunny side as a friendly ghost. 62 00:05:04,041 --> 00:05:08,284 Irving's whimsical warning that he might return as a playful ghost didn't square with 63 00:05:08,284 --> 00:05:15,010 Holzer's experience, his knowledge of ghost behavior. 64 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:20,374 The ghost at Washington Irving's cottage had no substance after all, but in the little 65 00:05:20,374 --> 00:05:26,979 fishing village of Port Clyde, I found a different kind of story. 66 00:05:26,979 --> 00:05:34,786 Port Clyde is a fishing village wedged in a rocky enclave of the main coast. 67 00:05:34,786 --> 00:05:38,509 Indians fished these waters long before the Europeans came. 68 00:05:38,509 --> 00:05:44,274 Then, for a time, the Yankee whalers held sway here. 69 00:05:44,274 --> 00:05:47,356 They were strong, practical men. 70 00:05:47,356 --> 00:05:53,281 Indians steeled for long voyages in search of whale. 71 00:05:53,281 --> 00:06:00,367 They were replaced in time by fleets of caught fishermen, the same practical Yankee breed. 72 00:06:00,367 --> 00:06:06,171 Now it's lobster that lures the men of Port Clyde, but little else has changed. 73 00:06:06,171 --> 00:06:11,216 Making a living from the sea still demands courage and skill, and there's little time 74 00:06:11,216 --> 00:06:17,341 for frivolous pursuits and wild imaginings. 75 00:06:17,341 --> 00:06:22,785 Carl Schwab has fished Port Clyde's waters for years, a spiritual descendant of the Yankee 76 00:06:22,785 --> 00:06:27,189 whalers. 77 00:06:27,189 --> 00:06:32,993 He and his family once lived in a house that some in Port Clyde say is haunted, but had 78 00:06:32,993 --> 00:06:38,598 Schwab ever seen or heard anything unusual at the old house? 79 00:06:38,598 --> 00:06:43,082 Not unusual, not for winds here in the winter time, but I don't know much history of the 80 00:06:43,082 --> 00:06:50,888 house, other than what this has come out. 81 00:06:50,888 --> 00:06:54,491 This is the ghost Carl Schwab was talking about. 82 00:06:54,491 --> 00:07:01,497 I first heard about it from brother and sister Carol Schulte and Bob Oliveary. 83 00:07:01,497 --> 00:07:05,940 Carol and Bob had spent lazy summers with their parents in the Port Clyde house Carl 84 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:08,342 Schwab once lived in. 85 00:07:08,342 --> 00:07:10,704 It was a fine retreat for the young people. 86 00:07:11,185 --> 00:07:15,989 A wonderful old house full of nooks and crannies and creaking wood. 87 00:07:15,989 --> 00:07:18,991 It was weatherworn, but comfortable. 88 00:07:18,991 --> 00:07:25,797 There was a night in the summer of 1972, however, which was not comfortable at all. 89 00:07:25,797 --> 00:07:31,401 It was the night Bob Oliveary became aware of a presence in his bedroom. 90 00:07:31,401 --> 00:07:38,487 One night I was awakened by a noise in the hallway, like a pacing of footsteps. 91 00:07:38,527 --> 00:07:40,448 I had no idea what it was. 92 00:07:40,448 --> 00:07:44,372 I got up and the sound stopped. 93 00:07:44,372 --> 00:07:49,376 As soon as I got back in bed, I heard the noise again, these footsteps. 94 00:07:49,376 --> 00:07:54,620 I got up again, I came to the same spot and stopped. 95 00:07:54,620 --> 00:07:59,944 And so then I checked my parents' room and they were sound asleep. 96 00:07:59,944 --> 00:08:02,547 I thought maybe it was my three-year-old nephew. 97 00:08:02,547 --> 00:08:08,231 I went down the hallway and I checked in his room and he was sound asleep in a crib in 98 00:08:08,231 --> 00:08:10,233 my sister was sound asleep. 99 00:08:12,234 --> 00:08:14,236 So then I came back in bed again. 100 00:08:16,758 --> 00:08:21,042 And while I was in bed, I got in bed, I heard the footsteps again. 101 00:08:21,042 --> 00:08:25,205 And they were coming up the hall and they stopped. 102 00:08:25,205 --> 00:08:27,887 It seemed like it was at the edge of the hallway. 103 00:08:27,887 --> 00:08:33,972 And a few minutes later, I could feel something on my sheets, like a pressing, like someone pressing down. 104 00:08:33,972 --> 00:08:38,976 And there was nothing near, but I could see the sheets being indented. 105 00:08:38,976 --> 00:08:44,060 And it kept on coming up my body till finally at the end, something pulled my hair. 106 00:08:44,060 --> 00:08:48,544 And I was just scared for the rest of the night I couldn't get to sleep. 107 00:08:51,266 --> 00:08:55,870 Carol, what exactly happened to you in this house when you slept here one night? 108 00:08:55,870 --> 00:09:01,595 OK, first of all, I was sleeping in this bedroom in here, which is generally my mother's and father's bedroom. 109 00:09:01,675 --> 00:09:04,037 But I just happened to be sleeping here that night. 110 00:09:04,037 --> 00:09:09,681 And I was in a deep sleep and my girlfriend was sleeping in that room with her animals. 111 00:09:09,681 --> 00:09:17,408 Now, one of her animals, a Siamese cat, came in and woke me up or tried to wake me up several times and I finally did wake up. 112 00:09:17,408 --> 00:09:23,212 I lie down and I thought, well, it'll go away, you know, and then it just kept rubbing against like my face and everything. 113 00:09:23,212 --> 00:09:28,096 So I was like this and I sat up to turn this light on. 114 00:09:28,096 --> 00:09:31,339 And I said, this is the only way I'm going to get rid of this cat by turning the light on. 115 00:09:31,339 --> 00:09:33,261 And I sat up to do that. 116 00:09:33,261 --> 00:09:35,022 And I never got the light turned on because I sat up. 117 00:09:35,022 --> 00:09:37,864 I realized that there was a light there. 118 00:09:37,864 --> 00:09:44,310 And the cat who was still here was also looking at, you know, this light, which was right at this window. 119 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:46,952 At first I saw a little figure. 120 00:09:46,952 --> 00:09:50,275 It was female and she had her hands up to her mouth. 121 00:09:50,275 --> 00:09:52,276 And so she wasn't quite sure whether or not she wanted to do it. 122 00:09:52,276 --> 00:09:55,159 She was very shy, you know, going like this. 123 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:58,121 And of course, all this happened in a matter of split seconds. 124 00:09:58,121 --> 00:10:09,210 She got larger and I realized that definitely it was a female figure with a white, very, the brightest white I'd ever seen nightgown on. 125 00:10:09,210 --> 00:10:12,453 And very small shoulders, you know, slender. 126 00:10:12,453 --> 00:10:15,095 And I said, Marion, Marion. 127 00:10:15,095 --> 00:10:19,378 Carol awakened me in the middle of the night by calling out my name quite urgently. 128 00:10:19,378 --> 00:10:25,103 And I woke up and the first time I heard my name, I didn't want to respond to it because it frightened me. 129 00:10:25,103 --> 00:10:28,346 And then she screamed up my name louder again. 130 00:10:28,346 --> 00:10:33,470 So I blinked my eyes again and I realized that I could see through her. 131 00:10:33,470 --> 00:10:36,913 And I realized then that it wasn't Marion. 132 00:10:36,913 --> 00:10:42,317 And she right away started communicating to me through her hands. 133 00:10:42,317 --> 00:10:45,840 And her hands started to go through washing movements. 134 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,522 And she got larger as she came to me. 135 00:10:48,522 --> 00:10:54,247 Now, as I got scared in direct proportion to her approach. 136 00:10:54,247 --> 00:10:56,609 And I knew that she wanted me to do something. 137 00:10:56,609 --> 00:10:59,051 She was desperate in a way. 138 00:10:59,051 --> 00:11:04,976 And at that point, I really was scared and I ducked under the covers, so to speak. 139 00:11:04,976 --> 00:11:07,257 And I just called Marion. 140 00:11:07,257 --> 00:11:09,739 And then she screamed out my name louder. 141 00:11:09,739 --> 00:11:12,262 And there was quite a note of urgency in her voice. 142 00:11:12,262 --> 00:11:22,630 So I got out of bed and I went running across the hall to the room in which she was sleeping. 143 00:11:22,630 --> 00:11:28,034 And she clutched at me and said, Marion, I have just seen a ghost. 144 00:11:28,034 --> 00:11:31,117 And I believed her because it was very real. 145 00:11:31,117 --> 00:11:34,880 Past my fear, I sensed that there was something evil. 146 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,802 It was an evil presence. 147 00:11:37,802 --> 00:11:42,686 If Bob, Marion, and Carol truly experienced a ghostly visit, 148 00:11:42,686 --> 00:11:47,050 then Hans Holzer must determine whose ghost was abroad that night. 149 00:11:47,050 --> 00:11:49,092 And find a way to put it to rest. 150 00:11:53,655 --> 00:11:59,660 Hans Holzer is convinced there is merit to the eyewitness accounts of a haunting at Port Clyde. 151 00:11:59,660 --> 00:12:05,665 He has enlisted the help of psychic Ingrid Beckman for the next phase of his investigation. 152 00:12:09,668 --> 00:12:13,672 Ingrid works as a book designer for a New York publisher. 153 00:12:13,672 --> 00:12:20,677 She became aware of her psychic abilities, her special sensitivities to emanations five years ago, 154 00:12:20,677 --> 00:12:24,681 and has worked with Holzer on a number of similar investigations. 155 00:12:24,681 --> 00:12:31,686 She knows nothing about Port Clyde, the former occupants of the old house, or the circumstances of the haunting. 156 00:12:36,690 --> 00:12:39,693 Hans, immediately I feel the presence of a woman. 157 00:12:40,694 --> 00:12:42,695 What about this room? 158 00:12:43,696 --> 00:12:47,699 Well, this presence comes from another house that was on this property, 159 00:12:47,699 --> 00:12:52,704 so that I don't feel it in any particular room, but I do feel that I should go upstairs, 160 00:12:52,704 --> 00:12:54,705 because I think there will be more up there. 161 00:12:55,706 --> 00:13:00,710 Hans depends on Ingrid's sensitivity to impressions of the past that may remain in the structure, 162 00:13:00,710 --> 00:13:04,713 and to any non-visible emanations she may detect. 163 00:13:04,713 --> 00:13:11,719 As I go through this house, I can see in my mind's eye the house that was on the property before. 164 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,726 And in my mind, I sense a field back in this direction, and there was land that went with this. 165 00:13:22,728 --> 00:13:28,733 Now we're upstairs, and I want you to look at every room and give me your impressions of it. 166 00:13:29,734 --> 00:13:31,735 Well, the upstairs is the most active. 167 00:13:32,736 --> 00:13:39,742 I sense a woman who is waiting, and I have an impression now of a storm, 168 00:13:39,742 --> 00:13:44,746 that she is very upset about a gale of some kind. It seems to be November. 169 00:13:45,747 --> 00:13:52,753 I also feel that she has looked out of not this very same window, but windows in this direction of the house. 170 00:13:52,753 --> 00:14:02,761 And I just got an impression where she says she, meaning a schooner, was built on the Kennebec, the Kennebec River. 171 00:14:02,761 --> 00:14:12,769 It seems to be a, oh, I think it's a double-masted schooner, and it seems to be her husband who's on this. 172 00:14:13,770 --> 00:14:19,775 Ship registries of the 19th century confirm that a whaler named Catherine sailed from these waters. 173 00:14:19,775 --> 00:14:22,777 Records of her crew, however, are lost. 174 00:14:23,778 --> 00:14:24,779 What does she look like? 175 00:14:24,779 --> 00:14:33,786 I see a tall woman who's rather thin and frail with dark hair, and it appears to be a white gown. 176 00:14:33,786 --> 00:14:40,792 Could be a night gown I see her in. Looks like a night gown to me, with a little embroidery on the front. 177 00:14:40,792 --> 00:14:41,793 Hand done. 178 00:14:42,793 --> 00:14:44,795 I'd better see if she cares to make contact with us. 179 00:14:44,795 --> 00:14:47,798 All right. We'll go back into that first room then. 180 00:14:54,803 --> 00:15:00,808 If the entity is present and wishes to talk to us, we've come as friends. 181 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:08,815 She's very unhappy here, Hans. She says her family hails from England. 182 00:15:08,815 --> 00:15:11,817 I get her name as Margaret. 183 00:15:12,818 --> 00:15:13,819 Margaret what? 184 00:15:14,820 --> 00:15:20,825 Something like H or something of that sort. I'm not getting the whole name. 185 00:15:20,825 --> 00:15:22,826 What period are we in now? 186 00:15:22,826 --> 00:15:27,830 This is... now she says 1843. 187 00:15:27,830 --> 00:15:34,836 She's very unhappy because she wanted to settle in Kennebunk. She does not like it here. 188 00:15:35,837 --> 00:15:38,839 She doesn't like the responsibilities of the house. 189 00:15:38,839 --> 00:15:39,840 How did you get here? 190 00:15:40,841 --> 00:15:45,845 Her husband liked it in this fishing village. She was very unhappy about his choice. 191 00:15:45,845 --> 00:15:46,846 Oh, is she here? 192 00:15:46,846 --> 00:15:51,850 She calls Kennebunk the city. That to her is a center. 193 00:15:51,850 --> 00:15:53,852 Why is she still here? 194 00:15:53,852 --> 00:15:55,853 She's left with all this responsibility. 195 00:15:56,854 --> 00:15:59,856 Her husband went on a ship. 196 00:16:00,857 --> 00:16:01,858 Her husband had a commission. 197 00:16:01,858 --> 00:16:03,860 What kind of a commission? 198 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:04,861 On a whaling ship. 199 00:16:04,861 --> 00:16:06,862 What was the name of the ship? 200 00:16:06,862 --> 00:16:09,865 St. Catherine or St. Catharines. 201 00:16:09,865 --> 00:16:10,865 The ship didn't come back? 202 00:16:10,865 --> 00:16:11,866 No. 203 00:16:12,867 --> 00:16:15,870 Where did they get married? In what church? 204 00:16:17,871 --> 00:16:18,872 Lutheran. 205 00:16:18,872 --> 00:16:19,873 Lutheran? 206 00:16:19,873 --> 00:16:22,875 Does she remember the name of the minister? 207 00:16:23,876 --> 00:16:26,879 Thorpe. Thomas Thorpe. 208 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:28,880 When they were married, was that in this town? 209 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:29,881 No. 210 00:16:29,881 --> 00:16:31,883 What town was it in? 211 00:16:31,883 --> 00:16:34,885 Long way away. Some kind of a province of a place. 212 00:16:35,886 --> 00:16:37,888 And they came right here after that? 213 00:16:37,888 --> 00:16:38,888 Went into Sacco. 214 00:16:39,889 --> 00:16:41,891 And then where did they move to? 215 00:16:42,892 --> 00:16:45,894 Clive. Clive. Poor Clive. 216 00:16:45,894 --> 00:16:47,896 Now, she and her husband lived here alone? 217 00:16:48,897 --> 00:16:49,897 Two children. 218 00:16:49,897 --> 00:16:50,898 What were they like? 219 00:16:51,899 --> 00:16:52,900 Philip. 220 00:16:54,901 --> 00:16:55,902 But he went to sea. 221 00:16:55,902 --> 00:16:56,903 And the other one? 222 00:16:58,905 --> 00:16:59,905 Francis. 223 00:17:00,906 --> 00:17:01,907 Did he go to sea too? 224 00:17:01,907 --> 00:17:02,908 No. 225 00:17:02,908 --> 00:17:03,909 What happened to him? 226 00:17:03,909 --> 00:17:05,910 I think Francis died. 227 00:17:05,910 --> 00:17:06,911 Or did he die? 228 00:17:06,911 --> 00:17:08,913 I get cholera. 229 00:17:09,914 --> 00:17:10,914 What? 230 00:17:10,914 --> 00:17:11,915 Cholera. 231 00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:17,920 And he was seventeen. 232 00:17:19,922 --> 00:17:23,925 Ingrid has come up with some hard information about the ghost. 233 00:17:23,925 --> 00:17:27,928 The family name Hatton, the time they lived in poor Clyde, 234 00:17:27,928 --> 00:17:29,930 and a ship named Catherine. 235 00:17:36,936 --> 00:17:39,938 Holzer would eventually seek out the town historian, 236 00:17:39,938 --> 00:17:42,941 Colonel Albert Smaley, for corroboration. 237 00:17:43,941 --> 00:17:46,944 Now, to the best of your knowledge, 238 00:17:46,944 --> 00:17:52,949 does the name Samuel and Hatton mean anything in connection with this area? 239 00:17:52,949 --> 00:18:01,956 Yes, Samuel Hatton lived in poor Clyde prior to 1850, that I'm sure about. 240 00:18:01,956 --> 00:18:02,957 What profession did he have? 241 00:18:02,957 --> 00:18:03,958 Sailor. 242 00:18:04,959 --> 00:18:07,961 Was there a ship called to say Catherine in this place? 243 00:18:07,961 --> 00:18:08,962 Yes, there was. 244 00:18:09,963 --> 00:18:12,965 And would it have been built at the Kennebick River? 245 00:18:12,965 --> 00:18:15,968 Or connected with it in some way? 246 00:18:15,968 --> 00:18:22,973 As I recall, it was, and I believe it was built in the Sewell Yard in the Kennebick River. 247 00:18:23,974 --> 00:18:27,977 Do you know the area of poor Clyde where the Lea Davis house now stands? 248 00:18:27,977 --> 00:18:34,983 Prior to this house, were there any houses in the immediate area? 249 00:18:34,983 --> 00:18:38,986 I've always been told that there was a house there. 250 00:18:38,986 --> 00:18:42,990 The Davis that owned it told me that he built on an old cellar. 251 00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:44,991 And how far back would that go? 252 00:18:44,991 --> 00:18:47,994 The new house was built around 1870. 253 00:18:47,994 --> 00:18:48,995 And there was one before that? 254 00:18:48,995 --> 00:18:50,996 There was one before that. 255 00:18:53,999 --> 00:18:59,003 A sailor's wife living alone for months at a time in a town she didn't like, 256 00:18:59,003 --> 00:19:02,005 with the burden of her duties weighing heavily on her. 257 00:19:03,006 --> 00:19:07,009 Heavily enough holds her things to have kept her long past her time. 258 00:19:07,009 --> 00:19:09,011 The problem is clear. 259 00:19:09,011 --> 00:19:11,013 Freer if he can. 260 00:19:12,013 --> 00:19:13,014 And she's alone now? 261 00:19:13,014 --> 00:19:14,015 Yes, she is. 262 00:19:14,015 --> 00:19:16,017 Is she aware of her passing? 263 00:19:17,017 --> 00:19:20,020 No, she's very concerned over the flocks. 264 00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:24,023 She says it's now come April and it's time for sheering. 265 00:19:25,024 --> 00:19:27,026 Is she aware of the people in the house now? 266 00:19:29,027 --> 00:19:31,029 She wants to communicate. 267 00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:33,031 What does she want them to do for her? 268 00:19:33,031 --> 00:19:36,033 She wants for them to help her with the farm. 269 00:19:36,033 --> 00:19:38,035 She says it's too much. 270 00:19:38,035 --> 00:19:41,037 And she, the soil is all rocky. 271 00:19:42,038 --> 00:19:44,040 And she can't get labor from the town. 272 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,042 She's having a terrible time. 273 00:19:47,042 --> 00:19:48,043 Can you see her? 274 00:19:49,044 --> 00:19:50,044 Yes, I do see her. 275 00:19:50,044 --> 00:19:51,045 Can she see you? 276 00:19:52,046 --> 00:19:53,047 Yes. 277 00:19:53,047 --> 00:19:59,052 Tell her that this is 1976 and that much time has passed. 278 00:20:00,053 --> 00:20:02,054 Does she understand this? 279 00:20:03,055 --> 00:20:04,056 She just keeps complaining. 280 00:20:04,056 --> 00:20:06,058 She has no one to write letters to. 281 00:20:08,059 --> 00:20:13,063 Does she understand that her husband has passed on that she herself is a spirit? 282 00:20:14,064 --> 00:20:15,065 She's free to go. 283 00:20:16,066 --> 00:20:17,067 Does she understand that... 284 00:20:17,067 --> 00:20:18,067 She said to Kenny Bunk? 285 00:20:18,067 --> 00:20:24,072 Any place she wishes to the city or better to join her husband on the other side of life. 286 00:20:24,072 --> 00:20:27,075 She said, oh, what I would do for a townhouse. 287 00:20:27,075 --> 00:20:30,077 Ask her to call out to her husband to take her away. 288 00:20:30,077 --> 00:20:31,078 He's waiting for her. 289 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:34,080 She, she's wanting to turn on the lights. 290 00:20:35,081 --> 00:20:36,082 She's talking about the oil lamps. 291 00:20:37,083 --> 00:20:38,084 She wants them all lit. 292 00:20:39,085 --> 00:20:44,089 Tell her the people here will take good care of the house, of the lamps and of the land. 293 00:20:44,089 --> 00:20:46,090 And she's saying no tallow for the kitchen. 294 00:20:47,091 --> 00:20:48,092 Not to worry. 295 00:20:48,092 --> 00:20:50,094 And the root cellar is empty. 296 00:20:51,094 --> 00:20:52,095 Does she see him? 297 00:20:52,095 --> 00:20:53,096 Yes. 298 00:20:55,098 --> 00:20:56,098 Are they going off together? 299 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:05,106 Only time will tell if Hans Holzer was successful. 300 00:21:10,110 --> 00:21:14,113 We've learned some things from Hans Holzer's ghost-hunted port Clyde. 301 00:21:14,113 --> 00:21:18,116 Learn, for example, that if we accept the possibility that ghosts exist, 302 00:21:18,116 --> 00:21:21,119 we can begin to study their behavior in a systematic way. 303 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:27,124 The study of ghosts is more than just a fascinating mental exercise, however. 304 00:21:27,124 --> 00:21:32,128 If Professor Holzer is right about ghosts being nothing more than people in trouble, 305 00:21:32,128 --> 00:21:34,130 it is our responsibility to help them. 306 00:21:35,130 --> 00:21:40,134 It would be nice to think that help would be available to us if our lives went awry, 307 00:21:40,134 --> 00:21:44,138 if our spirits were to move restlessly in the night.